following two-part interview appeared in the June 20 and June 27 (2001)
issues of the Whitehall Ledger. It is used here with permission of
Renewable Energy Makes
Says Sage Mountain Center Founder
Chris Borton and
partner Linda Welsh have owned and operated Sage Mountain Center,
located in the Toll Mountain area west of Whitehall, since 1991. Sage Mountain
Center offers training in personal inner growth, physical health and
sustainable living. The sustainable living portion of the Sage Mountain
experience offers a wide variety of advice and courses on a range of topics,
including solar home design, alternative building materials, solar electricity
and more. Borton, a Georgia native, is the fourth generation of his family to
work in construction.
There’s a lot of talk about energy conservation right now, but some
people seem disinterested or almost fearful of the topic. Why are people
uncomfortable with the concept of conservation?
A: I think conservation is
generally seen as deprivation, or having to do without. If we think in a
larger context, part of being an American is independence, and having
abundance…having as much as we want when we want it.
We’re huge consumers. We
consume more energy than any other country in the world. Anytime a word
comes into our vocabulary that has to do with changing our life and having
to do with less, our tendency is to immediately resist that.
Q: What do you think has to
happen to change that mindset?
A: I think the first thing
is for people to make the connection…to connect the energy we use with
where that energy comes from. In other words, when we turn on a light,
think…where is that power coming from, how is it produced, how much does
it cost to produce? People seeing the connection of our everyday living
and seeing how it relates to the bigger picture of our community, our
state and our country.
Q: What has to happen for
that kind of understanding to begin to take place?
A: I think generally in the
past, coming out of the 1980s, there was a lot of idealism about solar
energy and wind power and how it would save us with of all of us living
happily ever after.
But what we’re seeing now
is kind of interesting because it is starting to hit us in our wallets. I
believe it is our wallets that are going to cause us to change and think
differently about conservation.
Q: Speaking of wallets, in
1997 the Montana Legislature passed an energy deregulation bill. The law
is being phased in, and energy deregulation will hit residential consumers
next year. How do you see energy deregulation playing out in Montana?
A: My gut feeling is we
already know there are going to be increases – 50 to 100 percent – and
as it looks now it’s going to be stuck on us. Energy costs are going to
get a little higher, and we’ll get used to that, and a little higher and
we’ll get used to that…
Our power bills are
definitely going to be going up. I think all that will increase our
awareness of our connection with where we get our power from and how we
use our power, and it is going to make us generally more conscious. And I
think if we are conscious of these things we’re more inclined to act on
Q: What is your response to
President Bush’s national energy plan?
A: It needs a lot of work.
Right now, I believe the government is seeking comment about where
renewables are perceived by the general public. I think it’s crucial we
do provide feedback to increase the usage of renewable energy in his
Obviously there is a strong
tendency toward fossil fuels in the plan. I think that’s very bogus. It’s
going in the wrong direction.
Q: In a realistic sense,
what can government do to address the energy supply crisis?
A: I just read where
Governor Judy Martz is encouraging state agencies to conserve, and I see
that as a positive gesture. I think what we really need – what the
general public and small businesses really need – are education and
incentives. Two simple terms.
Q: What kind of education
A: Education, which is part
of what we do at Sage Mountain Center, is to teach people that they don’t
need to use as much energy as they’re using. They can do their dishes,
do their laundry and heat their house all to the comfort level they are
used to, but using a tremendous amount less of energy by using more energy
Incentives could be as
simple as something like rebates for appliances and light bulbs. It’s
easy for states to plop down $100 million in tax breaks for the
development of fossil fuel power plants. Why not take the $100 million and
distribute compact fluorescent bulbs to an entire state, and watch the
power consumption drop tremendously. Then we wouldn’t have to build new
polluting power plants.
Q: What kind of specific
activities is Sage Mountain Center doing to promote energy conservation?
A: We’re doing a
collection of seminars geared toward education on solar electricity…how
and why to incorporate that into your business or your home. We’re
looking at passive solar home design, energy efficiency in building and
construction techniques. We also offer free tours of the facility here at
Sage Mountain Center, where people can see these super energy efficient
Q: Right now we’re
looking at the new home you’re building at Sage Mountain Center. What
are some of the super energy efficient measures you’re building into the
A: The first thing is the
orientation of the building. It’s oriented to take maximum advantage of
the sun’s heating capabilities in the winter. We are creating a very
well-insulated shell of the house. We’re using plastered straw bale
construction, which has an R-value of about 40. It’s a very renewable
material…we get it fifteen minutes away at the Smith ranch. We can see
our walls grow one season and the next season we’re building with them.
After building a very
well-insulated home we include systems in the home, and we try to use the
sun and wind as much as possible for electricity and heating.
We’re in the process of
putting up a wind generator. We’ve been living on 100 percent solar
electricity for the last ten years. Sage Mountain Center has never paid a
We’ve gone with an
in-floor central heating system, also called radiant floor or radiant heat
system, for the central heating system. That system circulates hot water
through tubing in the floor, and that hot water is heated from the sun.
Pumps circulate the water throughout the floor, and it is the cleanest and
cheapest form of central heating you can have right now when it is put in
during new construction.
Our solar electric system
consists of a solar array outside. Sunlight hits those panels and excites
electrons, and the electrons get channeled into a battery bank, and the
battery bank is used for nighttime electricity. And in the daytime it’s
recharged by sun.
All the lights throughout
the house are new compact florescent lights. When you say florescent
lights most people think of white, pasty, buzzing, flickering lights. The
new generation of compact florescent lights has not one of those
unpleasant features. We also use LEDs (light emitting diodes) which is the
absolute most efficient lighting right now.
Q: These are all built-in
costs to the home, as well. How much does all this stuff cost up front,
and how much do you save in the long run?
A: Generally, for
appliances, the more efficient the appliance is, the more expensive it is
up front. But the operating cost over the life of that appliance will be
much, much lower than a standard appliance. An energy efficient appliance
will save you a tremendous amount of money in the long run.
For example, a compact
fluorescent bulb will cost about seven dollars, and last about seven to
ten years. One bulb will save about forty bucks over the life of that
bulb. One, because you won’t be changing light bulbs as much.
Incandescent bulbs last only a year or so. Two, these bulbs use much less
electricity than incandescents. I call incandescent lights
"heaters," not lights. Ninety-percent of an incandescent light
bulb is heat, and ten percent is light.
For construction of a new
home, generally energy efficient measures add about ten percent to the
cost of a home. But they can save as much as forty percent on the
operation of the home.
(Next week: Borton talks
about the "How to’s" of solar power, his vision of energy use
in America and sources for more information of renewable energy.)
Chris Borton, of Sage
Mountain Center, discussed the concept of energy conservation, Sage
Mountain Center programs and seminars, and overall benefits of energy
conservation last week in part one of the "Catching Up With"
interview. Part two of the interview focuses more on the "how to’s"
of solar power and possible future use of renewable energy.
Q: How does solar power
figure in the general concept of renewable energy?
A: First, we need to make
the distinction between the types of solar energy. There are three types
of solar energy available to homes. One is passive solar space heating.
That’s the heating of air.
Second is solar
electricity. That’s the creation of electricity from sunlight.
Third is solar hot water.
That’s where water is heated from the heat of the sun.
Q: Do solar panels work for all three of those functions?
A: It depends on what kind
of panels you’re referring to. Solar hot water panels can help offset
your heating bills, whether it’s forced air, natural gas or propane.
Solar space heating or
passive solar home design can also offset heating bills.
Solar electricity cannot
help offset home heating bills. It can only help offset your electric
bills. A lot of people think that if they put some solar panels on their
house, their heating bill’s going to go way down. Won’t happen. Solar
electricity can never be used in conjunction with electric heat, because
it takes so much electricity to create heat that it would be extremely
inefficient to use solar electric panels for heating. So solar electric
panels should only be used to offset electric bills as it relates to
lights, appliances, power tools, things like that.
Q: If someone is interested
in learning more about solar panels, what is their first step and how do
A: First step is to talk to
us at Sage Mountain Center (laughs). We teach a lot of classes, we have a
lot of resources and a lot of connections for people who are interested in
learning more about this stuff. The Internet is flooded with information
about every type of solar power. There are lots of great books and videos
out there for people interested in learning more about solar or wind
Q: What is the best
Internet site for solar energy and renewable energy information?
A: The best website right
now is www.montanagreenpower.com.
That’s a new website, and it is the most comprehensive site for the
state. It has all kinds of renewable energy information, and also has the
latest news from around the country, and keeps you up-to-date on
legislative actions and grants that are available, and has links to
several other good renewable energy sites.
And attend our Sage
Q: If solar panels make so
much sense, why aren’t they on every home. Why aren’t they standard
features on new homes?
A: They will be at some
Right now, the cost of
solar electric panels is still pretty expensive. That’s why most people
aren’t using it now…because of the initial investment. The analogy I
like to use, however, is the comparison between solar panels and a new SUV.
We’ll go out and spend $20,000 to $40,000 for a new car or SUV, and if
you think about it, that automobile is probably the worst investment you’ll
ever make. It costs thousands of dollars a year in fuel, it costs us for
insurance, and as soon as it leaves the lot the price drops immediately.
So as an investment, a vehicle is a real bad choice.
Let’s compare that to a
solar electric system. The cost is anywhere between $7,000 and $17,000. It’s
an investment. But this investment can offset all or almost all of your
electric bills for at least fifty years.
One thing to keep in mind
about renewable energy is that the United States is basically still in the
Dark Ages. When we look at places like Europe, they are so completely
advanced and ahead of us, it’s embarrassing. Even if we compare
ourselves to developing countries in places like Africa, the United States
is still way behind. Because developing countries don’t have the
(energy) grid, these remote forms of energy are clean and self sufficient
and just springing up all over the place.
Q: Montana has plenty of
wind, but not a lot of wind power. Why isn’t there more power generated
from wind, and how practical is wind power?
A: Wind power is extremely
practical in Montana. We are the fifth windiest state in the country, and
Montana has some of the windiest areas in the country.
The reason it isn’t
popular right now is basically because the whole energy market has been
dominated by coal and hydro.
As far as wind is
concerned, that’s changing very rapidly. I know of a number of site
assessments taking place for wind farms in Montana. And wind power is
going to happen here. The first one is already going up right now on the
Blackfeet Indian Reservation. That’s one of the windiest spots.
Livingston is another key area, of course, as are places like Anaconda.
Q: Is a wind farm practical
in the Whitehall and Jefferson Valley area?
A: Yes. Absolutely.
Q: Montana Power offers
home efficiency audits. Should homeowners look into these?
A: The Montana Power energy
audits are an excellent way for customers to have their house assessed. It’s
free, and everyone should have it done, for sure. There’s nothing to
Q: What’s a fuel cell,
how do they work, and how practical are they?
A: Fuel cells operate
somewhat like a regular car battery. They require hydrogen, which is
transformed into electrical energy and some heat.
Right how, of course, there
is a lot of research being done on fuel cells, mostly for vehicles. There
are fuel cell vehicles out there. They’re starting to be made on the
commercial market, and we’re going to see them more in the residential
market. They’ll be treated something like a generator. A fuel cell,
however, isn’t considered a renewable or clean form of energy, unless
the hydrogen comes from a clean source. Right now, the majority of fuel
cells that are out there can use propane or natural gas. They extract the
hydrogen from a fossil fuel.
There’s a lot more work
being done now to extract that hydrogen from water. Hydrogen is the most
abundant element in the universe, and we can extract hydrogen from water.
And that’s going to be the future of energy production from a hydrogen
source, in my opinion.
Q: Hydrogen, as in the
hydrogen bomb? How is hydrogen converted into energy?
A: I’m not a chemist or a
physicist, this is just stuff I’ve learned over the years. But yes,
people think of hydrogen as something blowing up, like the hydrogen bomb.
However, we’re dealing
with very explosive, very flammable materials every day when we use
gasoline for our cars, propane in our barbecues, natural gas for cooking.
Those are potentially very dangerous materials.
Hydrogen is sort of a new
fuel for us, and the more we’re exposed to it, the more comfortable we’ll
be with it.
Q: Let’s look ahead 100
years. How will the construction and operation of an average home differ
from homes now?
A: I can imagine the home
being predominately built from recycled materials…recycled from anything…tires,
plastics, metals, and you might see paper and cardboard created into
lumber. There have been some big advances there.
I can imagine the home
being built in harmony with its environment, where the water that comes in
is monitored and the water that goes out is monitored to make sure it’s
just as clean as when it came in. The fuel heating the home and supplying
electricity for the home will also be clean from the sun, and from
hydrogen extracted from water. Our vehicles will be zero emissions, and
will be powered by the water and sun. Incidentally, this is happening now,
only on a small scale.
Q: What are three simple
things people can do to start conserving energy as soon as they put down
A: The first cheapest and
most effective thing you can do is change out your light bulbs. Any light
bulb you have on for more than one hour per day…change that light bulb
to a compact fluorescent. It’s a small investment you’ll make
initially (usually about $100 to replace all the light bulbs in a home),
but you’ll see immediate results in your power bill.
The second thing is seal up
cracks in your house. Infiltration is a big energy waster…heat and cold
going in and out around doors and windows. The typical door that you feel
the air coming in and blowing around the seams of the door is the
equivalent of a six-inch round hole in your wall. So with every door and
window that is the equivalent of a six-inch hole you are essentially
heating the outdoors, or cooling the outdoors if you run an air
The third thing is a
cliché, but you should turn off lights when you’re not in the room, and
replace your inefficient appliances with new ones.
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